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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.11.26 19:45:00 -
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This is one of the best changes that CCP could make to Eve. It will greatly improve the marketability of the game, and as such greatly diminishes the pressure of the growing Microtransaction MMO market. Its been a long time coming, and its good to see CCP taking a moment to step back and make big meaningful changes.
I'm really looking forward to redistributing over 10M SP. 
-Liang
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Posted - 2010.11.26 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/11/2010 21:24:48
Hey look at all the bitter *******s in this thread, whining about how Eve is becoming 'too easy' and 'too accessible'. Obviously CCP should just get rid of the whole 'GUI' and let us program one ourselves if we want one. But really, why anyone would want more than just text?
new_eve_ui = """
You are in warp to a belt. You will arrive in 4 seconds.
$ look at local
The display containing people in local has four pictures.
1. A dark haired brutor winks at you from behind dark sun glasses. His eyes are a hypnotic brown as he undresses you with his xray eyes. His name is TSA Agent
2. BUY YOUR ISK HERE AT www.****-off.net! Her name is asdgfwe34dfsf
3. A Caldari Achura is here. His name is UglyMofo
4. A Caldari Achura is here. Her name is Liang Nuren.
$
You have arrived at the belt. A named 'LOLNOTBAIT' is here.
$ target Drake
You begin targeting the Drake.
$ act scram
You have no target. Scrambler primed.
$ orb Drake 5000
You begin to orbit the Drake at 5000 meters. You are at 200 meters currently.
$
The Drake warp targets you.
The Drake warp scrambles you.
The Drake webs you.
$ Attack
You have no target. Weapons primed.
$
You target the Drake named 'LOLNOTBAIT'
You warp scramble the Drake named 'LOLNOTBAIT'
Your Neutron Blasters barely scratch the Drake named 'LOLNOTBAIT'
$ Act web
You web the Drake
$
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
$
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Hurricane comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
An Onyx comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Broadsword comes out of war 2184 meters away.
$ lo
A Curse comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Curse comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Curse comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
An Arazu comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
$ look at lo
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
A Drake comes out of warp 2184 meters away.
$ look at local
The display containing people in local has one hundred forty six pictures.
1. ...
"""
-Liang
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U are wellcome. I think you are right. U shoud stay. I should find somethig else to play. Have fun.
We obviously aren't losing anything of value here.
-Liang
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Posted - 2010.11.27 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sed Man
well you have punished people for making sensible long-term decisions. people who didnt now get a free ticket to equality.
Actually, its extending my advantage over them by 72 SP/hr since they introduced remaps. They'll never be able to get up to the speeds I've been training, and it artificially increases the age of my characters.
Noob.
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Posted - 2010.11.27 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sed Man
If your toons only 9 months old and you've invested 20% of your time/SP time into learning skills, then you havent even started to recoop faster sp/hr benifets...
Amusingly, you will have under the new plan. You'll come out much better off in this situation. :)
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I'd be even more annoyed if my toon was only 4 months old and I'd just finished all but the charisma learning skills.
You'd be looking at what ... 4m SP total at that point - which no matter how you slice it is still higher than any other character your age could have gotten. Congratulations on having a real and immediate SP advantage. I mean yeah, you may be upset... but only because of the recent ISK investment.
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Skilling learning skills is a choice, long term planning was rewarded with faster skilling in the future... now everyone in skilling at the same speed with the only variables being implants and remaps. implants require no thought, its based on what you can afford.
Implants require far far far far more thought and choice than learning skills. HG Crystals are +3s, and LGs are +2s. For example.
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It seems that players older than about 1.5 years are happy
Yeah, because one of the major turn offs to new players just went away.
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players who didn't learn learning skiils to lvl5 are happy
I had my learning skills that high. I'm actually being nerfed by this change. Know what? I don't care.
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new players are happy
Yeah, with good reason.
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but, if you created your toon some time this year (a small minority) all your plans goto crap.
How so? Just take your learning skill reimbursement and apply it to your skill plans. OH MY GOD, YOU'RE FARTHER ALONG THAN YOU COULD EVER HAVE BEEN!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!~?
-Liang
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Posted - 2010.11.27 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sed Man
If this is true then, my arguments are moot, but from what I can gather, this isnt the case. Most of the people in game, in help channel, quoted ~2.5mill SP in learning. The sample size was about 20, 2 or 3 had maxed all learning skills. The difference between ~2.5 and 3.12mill in learning skills is significant SP/hr when you have a 3 year plan.
I decided to sacrifice flying T2 ships in the short term to skill learning skills ......
Yes, and now you're further along in your 3 year plan than if you hadn't trained learning skills. Wheeeeeeee.
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yes it would take years to catch up ... its not out of the question.
Amusingly, you'd catch up just in time to find out that skillpoints don't matter that much.
-Liang
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Posted - 2010.11.27 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sed Man
Perhapse they should have given existing toons a ratio of the 12 attributes based on thier existing learning skills for the next 12 months after which time they go to the new standard. It would be a transition that wasnt just "hey, in 20 days, your gona get a free ticket for those learning skills you were not patient enougth to skill"
That'd be near braindead from every perspective.
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Posted - 2010.11.27 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Beltan Kelara
Without your expertise where would EVE be?
Probably exactly where it is. But I suspect quite a few people in it would be a lot poorer.
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You are pushing so hard for something that dumbs down the game for noobs and PVPers at the expense of the versatility the one thing that differentiated all toons and that is the speed at which they learned skills. Now every new character will be equal out of the box.
Equal in learning speed, perhaps. But the directions in which they take their skills will be dramatically different.
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Why not get rid of all skills and create 6 template character types will all need skills maxed? Is that your next plan will you back that too?
Only if it makes you angry. Because I care about you that much.
-Liang
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Posted - 2010.11.27 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/11/2010 04:50:26
Originally by: Typhado3
sigh.
You do realise the people who are in this situation are ones who spent months training skills that would take many years to pay off? The people who maxed out learning skills love those long term payouts, so they are the exact kind of people to be annoyed by this.
Hi, I maxed out my learning skills and I'm elated by this change.
-Liang
Ed: They may "love" those long term payouts, but they may also "love" not feeling obligated to sacrifice months of training time in order to not feel nerfed. OCD is a bad thing.
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Posted - 2010.11.27 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Beltan Kelara
None of the insults or arguments made by the folks getting the free boost has been constructive today. Every time someone comments that they feel they are getting ripped or that this is bad they get slammed by these two. Is it not right to return the favor?
To be fair, all the reasons for why people are feeling gypped are "I made an investment and I want to CATCH UP!!!!", or "I am gonna be losing SP/hr :(". Well, both of those apply to me too - and I can see why it makes the game more approachable (this is a good thing), why it makes the game better.
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Posted - 2010.11.27 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/11/2010 05:17:52
Bah.
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Posted - 2010.11.27 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sed Man
thats not compensation, its simply a refunded.
The compensation comes from 6 months of training faster than your peers. The most likely way to catch up to people who have played the game longer is when they're taking a break from the game.
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Posted - 2010.11.27 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Drusilla Pellegrino
That means at the end I can skill faster than others.
You will never train as fast as I have for the last 4 years. 
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